"...you see it within the first two years in the tech world that you’re just being consumed as a pillar of knowledge instead of a pillar of greatness."

"There’s always a lot of things when it comes to Black people in America, where it can make a young person feel like, why even try? It can create so many mental barriers for a young person. So if I can do my part in trying to break those down before they even build up, I’m gonna do that."

We caught up about their work, black men in tech, how to make your own podcast, and where the future of tech is going.